If you have to pay nonresident tuition, are public universities worth the price?
I think this is a good time to examine this issue since the Princeton Review just released it’s 2014 best value list of public colleges and universities.
The Princeton Review included many state schools on its value list that are extremely expensive for nonresidents.
According to federal statistics, here is the list of the most expensive public universities in the country for nonresidents:
- University of California (all campuses)
- University of Michigan
- University of Virginia
- University of Colorado
- College of William and Mary
- University of Texas
- University of Vermont
- Miami University-Oxford, OH
- Penn State University
- Clemson University
- Georgia State University
- Michigan State University
- University of Connecticut
- New College of Florida
- Indiana University
Nine of these expensive schools above (I highlighted them) also made Princeton Review’s list of the 75 “best value” public institutions.
For many outsiders, the cost of any of the University of California campuses, including Berkeley and UCLA, will be in the $55,000 range. The University of Michigan charges $50,000.
I’ve been told off the record that when the University of California decided to make an aggressive push for wealthy outsiders, administrators decided to simply set its nonresident price above Michigan’s, which used to be the nation’s priciest state institution.
I wrote the following post last year sharing the angst of parents whose children want to attend expensive out-of-state public universities:
Should Students Attend State Universities Beyond Their Borders?
Here are a few more thoughts on the subject:
1. Difficult state residency requirements.
Many families hope that their children will be able to become a resident in the state where they are attending school after the first year and then qualify for in-state tuition.
That was the hope of a teenager whose situation I profiled in my previous post on the subject. The state university the girl expects to attend in the fall costs $50,000 a year for nonresidents. The parents will only pay for one year and expect the girl to qualify for in-state tuition and cover the remaining three years.
This is nothing short of financial suicide and if the parents think they can sign off on this and watch their child drown in debt, they are mistaken. The daughter would need to obtain private loans and no lender will hand over the money without a co-signer. I hope that puts the kaboosh on this insane plan.
Most states have residency requirements to prevent students like the one described above from benefiting from lower in-state costs. The residency requirements vary significantly, but according to FinAid, a student typically must have at least one parent who is a state resident for at least one full year before the student starts college. You can find links to the state residency requirements at FinAid.
2. Elite flagships are fixated on rich students.
If you aren’t rich, I’d strongly suggest that you forget about attending flagships that enjoy golden brand names like the Universities of California and Michigan or that are located in desirable geographic areas such as the Universities of Colorado and Arizona. These schools and others with strong US News rankings are hungry for outsiders who can bankroll an education that can cost more than $200,000.
Some of these schools, such as Arizona and Michigan, provide token merit scholarships (the averages are $7,642 and $6,816 respectively), but that won’t go far when you will be paying private school prices for state educations. Some flagships, such as the University of Wisconsin and University of California campuses, don’t give any merit scholarships to outsiders. University of Virginia had an impressive financial-aid policy, but it’s getting scaled back.
Prestigious state schools are charging high prices because they can. Plenty of wealthy families are willing to pay the tab because of the prestige attached to schools like the College of William and Mary, UCLA and Georgia Institute of Technology.
Unfortunately, some students heading to these premiere institutions can’t afford the cost and will face scary debt loads just to earn a diploma from a school with a marquee name.
3. Don’t flatter yourself.
It’s easier to get into prestigious flagships as an outsider now because these institutions need the easy money. If parents are willing to pay $50,000 to attend Indiana University, (like one of the dads in my old post appeared ready to do) IU will gleefully take the money.
State universities have been recruiting heavily across state lines, in part, because state governments have been reducing their financial support. Finding out-of-state sugar daddies is one way for these schools to survive financially. And it’s easier to attract rich students to their campuses than for these institutions to get serious about making meaningful structural changes.
I wrote a story for my college blog over at CBS MoneyWatch a couple of years ago about a dad, who works at Columbia University, whose daughter had planned to attend the University of Michigan in the fall of 2011. She attended the new student orientation before her dad noticed that he had misread the bill. He thought the tuition was going to be a total of $19,000, but that was the price per semester!
4. Look beyond the obvious choices.
If you look beyond the most popular flagships, plenty of state schools offer significant discounts to nonresidents. The New York state universities (SUNY’s) , for instance, represent some excellent values. Unlike many states, New York state has continued to support its public universities at levels other state legislatures have long abandoned. Another great buy is the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis.
Like the flagship schools, whether you qualify for admission and merit scholarship can come down to your academic statistics. You can often find a scholarship matrix on the websites of universities. The one below comes from the University of Nevada, Reno.
State institutions that are off the popularity radar are interested in outsiders because they can generate more money from them (but the amounts will be significantly lower than what the prominent flagships can charge).
Another prime motivator for the outreach to smart nonresidents is to inch up U.S. News & World Report’s college rankings. I frankly find this is craven, but it’s the reality.
A potential drawback to attending less prestigious schools is that they often don’t enjoy the level of resources as their brand name peers. One consequence of this will be lower graduation rates. The four-year grad rate at the University of Nevada, Reno, for example, is an appalling 13.6%.
I should add that some of the popular destination schools such as University of Colorado and University of Wisconsin don’t have great four-year grad rates (50% and 41% respectively) either and the price tags will be far, far higher.
One way to boost the chances of getting out in four years and to enjoy a better educational experience is to try to get into a state school’s honors college. These honors colleges were created as a way to attract smart students who normally might be heading to private schools.
5. Check education compacts.
You can also look for state schools that observe a reciprocity agreement with institutions in your state. Thanks to one of these agreements, you may pay the same price as a resident or capture a significant discount. Here are the four regional compacts:
- Western Undergraduate Exchange
- Academic Common Market
- Midwestern Higher Education Compact
- New England Board of Higher Education
6. Schools go by the numbers.
State schools don’t enjoy the luxury of evaluating students holistically. There are too many students applying.
Merit scholarships are awarded basically by looking at a child’s grade point average, test scores and class ranks. If your child is weak in one or more of these areas, the chances for money or meaningful money will drop significantly. Head over to a state university’s admission web pages and research what kind of out-of-state scholarships are available.
7. Throw a wide net.
I once heard from a mother who said her daughter is such a good student that she deserves to attend a flagship outside her state of New Mexico. (UNM offers generous scholarships to nonresidents — even those with just a 3.0 GPA!) I agree that smart students should conduct a broader search, but what bothered me was that it only occurred to the family to check out other state schools.
They should also be looking at private schools. The latest report on private school pricing documents that the average tuition discount at private colleges and universities is now 53%.
8. Check prices before applying.
Don’t let your child apply to any state or private school without first using a net price calculator that will give you personalized estimate of what that school would cost you.
When checking out state universities as a nonresident you need to be careful that you are getting an accurate price. If the calculator doesn’t ask about your state residency, the cost estimate will probably be wrong.
If a student is currently living with her mother and attending high school in New Jersey, and they will both be moving to Pennsylvania permanently immediately after her HS graduation, is there any practical way she can get herself considered to be resident for tuition purposes in PA state education during her first year?
Broadly speaking, if the two of these are different, which is controlling:
-where you have been a resident of for a period of 12 months and/or where you graduated high school, or
-where your parent you live with is living at the time you start attending
If it’s the first, it seems like the only solution would be to have her not start school until the following year, when she can show she’s been living in PA for 12 months? Or alternatively, start and pay out-of-state tuition for the first year, then file an appeal?
It’s unfortunate that the teenager has to move right when state residency matters. Pennsylvania is rather strict with state residency and she will probably have to stay out of college for a year. Each campus could have different rules. Here is the link to Penn State’s: http://bulletins.psu.edu/undergrad/generalinformation/Tuition2
Contact individual schools for more info or just start using Google.
Not sure if anyone is still on this post.
My daughter is deciding between out of state UVA and own State’s honor college. Yah, OOS UVA tuition is like 4 times to that of own State honor college. Everyone whom I spoke to about UVA all says UVA is very very good school. But is it really worthy to spend at least $67,000 a year (4 years could be $280, 000) for attending UVA?
Any comments? Appreciated.
Your daughter should attend the honors college in your state!! Do not spend all that extra money to attend U of Virginia, which is the second most expensive state school for nonresidents. Virginia can charge that much simply because rich nonresidents will pay that much. Where you attend school for your bachelor’s degree isn’t nearly as important as what you do at wherever you attend.
Here is a story about this that I wrote nearly three years ago that is relevant:
I’ve struggled a lot these days for being admitted to graduate programs in UW – Seattle and UC Berkeley. Berkeley sounds like a amazing golden brand and the 2nd best stats program, but the $3,000 scholarship offered compared to $44,000 tuition for out of state of California is like nothing, which makes me kinda sad and struggled.
If I were you, I’d look elsewhere. Not only is the tuition high, but you also have to pay to live in the Bay Area which is prohibitively expensive. Sorry!
Thanks for the information. I am busy applying to a ton of schools looking for merit scholarships. Now I can cross University of California and University of Wisconsin off the list. I would add more to this comment … but I have to get back to applications. Thanks for the help. Bye.
Hi Lynn, thank you VERY much for this information. We live in Texas and my daughter is very interested in the University of North Carolina and University of Virginia. (She is also interested in UT-Austin too, thankfully).
My question is: I looked at the web site you referenced (Academic Common Market) and it connected to something called SREB or Southern Region Education Board. Honestly, I can’t make heads or tails of this web site and how it works to reduce tuition costs for kids from Texas applying to other states in this network. I’m I looking in the right place??
BTW, I agree with you on out-of-state public schools, their rates are outrageously high, however, are they not worth it? In other words, just because in state residents get a steep discount, does that somehow diminish the value of the school’s education? Or, is it simply that in-state residents get the benefit via their tax dollars of a great education at a lower price?
Thank you again for your help
Not disputing the content and import of your post. I just wanted to clarify that New College of Florida, unlike the others on the list, is not a state university but a tiny, unique, state-funded honors college. While the published price for out of state tuition is incredibly high, any out of state student admitted actually pays at least $15,000 less than the published price. That’s still a lot of money, but much, much less than the price of a similar private school, such as Hampshire, Bennington, Marlboro, Sarah Lawrence, maybe Bard, etc. And I believe they give need-based aid on top of that to out of state students.
Thanks for sharing about New College of Florida. Many public universities do provide merit scholarships to out-of-state residents, but the state schools that are most highly sought after rarely are very generous. They really want the big bucks from rich nonresidents.
Thanks for the insight Lynn! We follow your blog/FB page faithfully and are grateful for the information shared. I first heard you speak at a “Got College” event in San Diego when my oldest was a freshman in high school. At the time we were thinking of state colleges as we looked ahead to college, but in part because of your lecture we started looking more closely at other schools we had never considered a possibility. My oldest is now attending the US Naval Academy and we are back in to the college hunt with my daughter (11th grade). You information continues to guide us in the college search. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for much for reaching out! I think I remember meeting you. I am glad that I was able to help with your college search. Congrats on your son who is at the Naval Academy and good luck with your daughter!